The Insititutionalized mind

It may be we are all in when we allow our group,tribe, society to projected all their belief's on us,closing our minds to to others, on the outside of our crowd,thus imprisioning us and making it nearly impossible to leave,or par-take in seemingly odd,new and different idea or action.

"With extreme Trepidation, I Comply"

"The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained to liberation from the self."

"So we must ask ourselves "what measure have I attained this,thus value I have gained"

It's hard to grow,when meta-physically speaking,one is stuck in Plato's Cave!

And your Ego wouldn't let you out.

Liberation from the Self

The average person, though he or she likely does not know or believe it, is driven by the small "self" of the human ego. The sense of a separate "I" which is nothing more than an undisciplined but continuous stream of thought is, in effect, his or her identity, and he or she acts based upon such thoughts. Yet on all continents and in all ages non-dualistic wisdom traditions have pointed out the fallacy of this belief. We are much, much more than we think; albeit, what we think, we are.
"What man," asked Jesus, "ever added one cubit to his stature by taking thought?" "Know thyself," Socrates urged. "Nothing is either good or bad, but our thinking makes it so," observed Shakespeare.

"There is no ego apart from the thoughts," explains Eckhart Tolle in the attached video. "The thoughts, (and) the identification with thoughts, is ego. But the thoughts that go through your mind, of course, are linked to the collective mind of the culture you live in (and) humanity as a whole. So they are not your thoughts as such, but you pick them up from the collective - most of them. And, so, you identify with thinking, and the identification with thinking becomes ego. Which means, simply, that you believe in every thought that arises, and you derive your sense of who you are from what your mind is telling you who you are."

Yet the wisdom of all the worlds great religious and/or spiritual traditions (along with that of transpersonal and many other Western psychoanalytic schools) tells us that there is a far greater depth to our being than the merely egoic self.

The great twentieth century Protestant theologian, Paul Tillich put it this way:
"The wisdom of all ages and of all continents speaks about the road to our depth. It has been described in innumerably different ways. But all those who have been concerned - mystics and priests, poets and philosophers, simple people and educated - with that road through confession, lonely self-scrutiny, internal or external catastrophes, prayer, contemplation, have witnessed to the same experience. They have found they are not what what they believed themselves to be, even after a deeper level had appeared to them below the vanishing surface. That deeper level itself became surface, when a still deeper level was discovered, this happening again and again, as long as their lives, as long as they kept on the road to their depth. . . .

The name of this infinite and inexhaustible depth and ground of all being is
God. That depth is what the word God means. . . . For if you know that God means depth, you know much about him. You cannot then call yourself an atheist or an unbeliever. For you cannot think or say: Life has no depth! Life itself is shallow. If you could say this in complete seriousness, you would be an atheist; but otherwise you are not. He who knows about depth knows about God."

To mistake the small "self" or ego with who we are, thereby obscuring the depths of our being (and thereby the Ground of Being, itself) is, however all too common. Albert Einstein, called it "an optical delusion of consciousness," observing: "A human being is part of the whole called by us the universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness."

"The true value of a human being," the great scientist noted, "is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive," he warned.

The first step in obtaining "liberation from the self," is thus, (as Tolle notes) becoming aware of our own egoic thinking in order to disidentify with it, to become the observer of the thought rather than the enactor of the ego's thinking.


The Following applies to all Religions to a greater degree,if they claim "They are the Only belief " (this is a major Ego projection )

In America it is very easy to see how a majority of the population is " Insititutionalized"to Christianity, to the point they can't even consider thinking any other way, thus a complete loss of ability for Liberation, open-mindedness.

This is where Separation of Church and State failed, due to Fact in a True Democracy, one group may have a Majority, yet in a true democracy it is the obligation of the Majority to up hold,the minority voice as Equal, this is difficult for most people to understand.

------------------------------------------------ How did Christianity spread-------------------------------------------------------------

A short life and brutal death was enough to ensure that Jesus’ message of hope and everlasting life would spread across Judaea, across the Empire and ultimately, across the world.

Descent into chaos

Jesus was born to a family from a village called Nazareth, near the Sea of Galilee. As he was growing up, Judaea was collapsing into chaos. Its population had split into hostile groups. Preachers and prophets roamed the countryside, drawing enormous, passionate crowds.

At the age of thirty, Jesus joined one of these groups and was baptized in the Jordan River. Shortly afterwards, he began a ministry of his own. Like many other preachers, he traveled around Judaea, taking his message to the homes and synagogues of some of his country’s poorest people.

Although his message was proving popular, the claim of his disciples that Jesus was the son of God offended many people. What’s more, his ideas were revolutionary and threatened to undermine thousands of years of social tradition.

Trouble in Jerusalem

In around 33 AD, Jesus traveled to the city of Jerusalem for the Jewish ceremony of Passover. There were thousands of pilgrims from around the world and the temple provided services for them to change their foreign money or buy animals to sacrifice.

Jesus was furious. He believed that trade like this corrupted the holy site. According to the Gospel of St John, he wrecked the stalls of the moneylenders and drove them all out of the temple.

Criminal or martyr?

This outburst enraged religious leaders and threatened to destroy the fragile peace imposed by Rome. Jesus was arrested on a charge of treason and was crucified, a common form of execution for condemned criminals. To the Romans, Jesus was a troublemaker who had got his just desserts.

To the Christians, however, he was a martyr and it was soon clear that the execution had made Judaea even more unstable. Pontius Pilate – the Roman governor of Judaea and the man who ordered the crucifixion – was ordered home in disgrace. By executing Jesus, the Romans had kick-started a brand new religion that, in time, would spread across Rome and, eventually, the world.

A new message

This message announced that there was a kingdom greater than Rome, that God would provide and that the poorest members of society would find relief and hope. It was a completely new message – one which excited his audiences.

One of the farthest corners of the Roman Empire, Judaea was a land of ancient traditions and religious fervor. Decades of Roman rule were causing ever more resentment. The spread of Christianity was made a lot easier by the efficiency of the Roman Empire, but its principles were sometimes misunderstood and membership of the sect could be dangerous.

Although Jesus had died, his message had not. Word of his teachings spread to Jewish communities across the empire. This was helped by energetic apostles, such as Paul and by the modern communications of the Roman Empire.

Spreading the word

Over 30 years, Paul clocked up around 10,000 miles, traveling across the Roman Empire. He preached in some of the empire’s most important cities. Although places like Ephesus, Philippi, Corinth and Athens looked magnificent, they were also home to tens of thousands of poor, desperate people who were the perfect audience for the Christian message of eternal life.

Like Jesus, Paul spoke to people in their homes and synagogues. But he went beyond Jesus, who had only preached to Jews. Paul believed his message should also be taken to gentiles – the non-Jews.

Relaxing the rules

This meant taking a more relaxed approach to ancient Jewish laws about food and circumcision. It was a slap in the face for Jewish tradition, but it was also the central reason for the rapid spread of Christianity.

As the Christian movement began to accept non-Jewish members, it moved further away from the strict rules imposed on Jews. In so doing, it gradually became a new and separate religion.

An easy target

Despite its growing popularity, Christianity was sometimes misunderstood and membership could bring enormous risks. Widely criticized after the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD, the Emperor Nero tried to divert attention away from his own failings by providing an easy scapegoat: the Christians.

Although the followers of Jesus were working hard to spread the message, there were still very few Christians in Rome. They were regarded with suspicion. Some important Christian rituals were mistaken as cannibalism, others as incest. Christians became an easy target.

Nero wasted no time. He arrested and tortured all the Christians in Rome, before executing them with lavish publicity. Some were crucified, some were thrown to wild animals and others were burned alive as living torches.

A new approach

Despite this, Nero's persecution of the new Christian sect was brief and, in the first century at least, was not repeated in other parts of the empire. When asked by Pliny the Younger how to deal with Christians in the Asian provinces, Trajan replied that they should not be actively pursued. However, they could be punished if they were publicly criticized and refused to abandon their beliefs.

Over time, the Christian church and faith grew more organized. In 313 AD, the Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which accepted Christianity: 10 years later, it had become the official religion of the Roman Empire.

During its first few centuries, Christianity faced continual persecution under the rule of Roman emperors. During this era, Christianity spread through subversive ministries and the written theological works of early Church Fathers. The history of Christianity was changed forever by two events of the 4th century. The first, in A.D. 313, was the conversion of Roman Emperor Constantine I. Constantine subsequently adopted some of its facets into his military and social policies and afforded Church leaders some political and self-governmental authority. The second, in 380, was the establishment of Christianity as the official religion of the empire. Christianity became an imperialistic religion borne by armies and would remain so for more than a thousand years following Rome’s collapse.

During the Middle Ages, the Church hoarded political and economic power throughout Europe, converting the leaders of various countries and peoples while routinely and violently persecuting non-believers. Simultaneously, Christianity was spread through academics, as monasteries and cathedral schools became renowned centers of learning in Western Europe and British Isles. Many of these eventually developed into the universities teaching — only to the faithful — a wide range of knowledge preserved from Roman times. During the Renaissance, innovations in sea travel allowed to the global proliferation of Christianity to begin in earnest, as explorers from Christian nations discovered and converted indigenous cultures around the world using force, wealth, missionary work, and copies of the Bible.

---Once one become embodied with "Christianity" if one tries to liberated self from it, one has the psychological terror of---                                                                       "Condemnation"

I don't believe this was ever the idea early Christianity was based on, any more then the way the U.S government has become, in essense "Tyrants"

excerpt from Wikipedia ; 

                                              A tyrant (Greek τύραννος, tyrannos), in the modern English usage of the word, is an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or person, or one who has usurped legitimate sovereignty. Often described as a cruel character, a tyrant defends their position by oppressive means, tending to control almost everything in the state.[1][2] The original Greek term, however, merely meant an authoritarian sovereign without reference to character,[3] bearing no pejorative connotation during the Archaic and early Classical periods. However, it was clearly a negative word to Plato, a Greek philosopher, and on account of the decisive influence of philosophy on politics, its negative connotations only increased, continuing into the Hellenistic period.

I think John Shelby Spong is on right track

      John Shelby "Jack" Spong (born June 16, 1931) is a retired American bishop of the Episcopal Church. From 1979 to 2000 he was Bishop of Newark (based in Newark, New Jersey). He is a liberal Christian theologian, religion commentator and author. He calls for a fundamental rethinking of Christian belief away from theism and traditional doctrines

excerpt from pdf above

                                                  "10. A New Basis for Ethics in a New Age
If we can no longer conceive of God as the one who ... metes out rewards and punishments either temporal or eternal, then does any basis for ethics remain? -- p 149
My search for the basis of ethics to guide me beyond the exile drives me back to the same arena where a non-theistic God was found and where Christ was redefined. -- p 167
This mythology of a divine source of ethics enforced by the all-seeing God, however, has been revealed by the ancient codes themselves to be utter nonsense. A careful study of these codes reveals nothing less than the tribal prejudices, stereotypes, and limited knowledge of the people who created them. -- p 151 - Bishop John Shelby Spong


I think most American my age 56, at least are very -Insititutionalized to Christianity and to The U.S government way of functioning.

  I very much know we need both, yet very much know for both the not cause total destruction, they must like any Individual become ;

                               Humble, thus transcend their Ego, and only way to be Humble is to Know the Truth and Accept it ;

                                                                             whether it is painful or not

Humility – the action of lowering oneself is vital and pivotal to Transcending the Ego. Once a person is able to see a small aspect on how the ego operates, at that time, the person can work at transcending the ego.

I like remembering this ; 

                                                                "Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna were living in the state of Pure Consciousness; that state of consciousness is ego-less. Moses was at very high level of consciousness and he still brought attention to himself – the ego trapped him – at the rock that they got water from. This is a lesson of the ego referring to Moses and the rock, Numbers 20:1-13, keep in mind that the context is doer-ship – Moses took credit and spoke with the tongue – “look what I did”. There is not a word in biblical Hebrew that could be translated into ego; the closest would be the word they translate into “sin”. Since the ego is the source of darkness, therefore – the source of sin. The new earth will be ego-less which is the same as sinless. Jesus was without sin because he was ego-less. Ego is sin, the authentic source of darkness."

In Plato's Cave,  All those trapped where held by their Egos,/ Pre-Concieved Notions

,   Thus locked in Darkness by the Shadows of what they had be told.

We can't move ahead with exchanges / egos like this (above link), neither one of them being right for The Whole, they both base things on What they where Told.

 If I am a Native American,any Culture, and never had heard of Christ or Krishna , why would I believe either of these Guys ? none, there is not One shred of proof of either of what these two say!. There is A lot of proof we are a part of a Body ,many call Nature

                           And Nature to me, is Always trying to be better at being Nature, so instead of some individuals thinking ; 
                                     " I am a Master , to realize no one is Master, Creation never Ends, Learning never Ends ;
                                           realizing there are no Masters here,  then the Ego can begin to be Transcendeded

I fear the day when technology overlaps with our humanity. The world will have a generation of idiots”. - Albert Einstein


Long before the age of the mobile phone, Albert Einstein, one of the most brilliant brains of the 20th century, is said to have predicted: ‘I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots.’

Some historians dispute the great man ever said it, but, whatever the case, it seems the prophecy may be coming true. Just look around you. Everywhere people are glued to their mobiles — as these photographs prove. Whether eating out with their family, sitting on the Tube, watching the tennis at Wimbledon, or even riding a bike, these Britons are all hooked on their phones.

Of course, we can all be guilty of it — and it doen’t mean we’re idiots — but to spare these people’s blushes, we’ve obscured their faces.

Has the Meaning of Life become , What the Group says that it is ?

Existential nihilism is the belief that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. With respect to the universe, existential nihilism posits that a single human or even the entire human species is insignificant, without purpose and unlikely to change in the totality of existence.

I thought this talk ,to be a good example of a type of "  Insititutionalized mind  

                                                                       What is Normal ?

 I looked up Average male and female bodies in 2000's ,the results ; 


A new study published in August in the International Journal of Fashion Design, Technology and Education decided to create a more current report.

What the study found was that size 14 is no longer accurate; the average American woman today is actually between a size 16 to 18.

A computer generated image of Average male 2000's

                                                                      Thus many of us ain't normal any how ?

Then whom is deciding what is normal,and when,where, whom?, it must be changing, cause these normals now ain't ,what was normal 20 years ago .

excerpt from above link ; 


Sailors. Prisoners. Bikers. Tattoos in the Western world were once the mark of the outcast, of the rocker and the rebel - of a certain kind of macho culture.

And yet now when the latest celebrity tattoo is revealed the gist of the discussion is usually an evaluation of the merits of the design, of the choice of Sanskrit or Latin script rather than the fact a public figure is displaying a prominent tattoo"


my opinion;  would be, whether the person admits it or not, even knows for that matters, is " identity with social group "

a group is as much a Insititution as a school,church, society,club etc.


Human intelligence 'peaked thousands of years ago and we've been on an intellectual and emotional decline ever since'                                                                                                                                                                                                             -independent.co.uk 

Professor Gerald Crabtree, who heads a genetics laboratory at Stanford University in California, has put forward the iconoclastic idea that rather than getting cleverer, human intelligence peaked several thousand years ago and from then on there has been a slow decline in our intellectual and emotional abilities.

Although we are now surrounded by the technological and medical benefits of a scientific revolution, these have masked an underlying decline in brain power which is set to continue into the future leading to the ultimate dumbing-down of the human species, Professor Crabtree said.

His argument is based on the fact that for more than 99 per cent of human evolutionary history, we have lived as hunter-gatherer communities surviving on our wits, leading to big-brained humans. Since the invention of agriculture and cities, however, natural selection on our intellect has effective stopped and mutations have accumulated in the critical “intelligence” genes.


I think people 3,000 years ago were just as clever on a fundamental level as are we today. Basically we think of ourselves as being more intelligent than those living millennia ago, but we aren’t. At least not physiologically or psychiatrically, we just have access to more information than most peole can even conceptualize. So we aren’t smarter fundamentally just have a better library that doesn’t burn down (metaphorically as well as physically) every generation or so."

Yes, humans from 3000 years ago were as intelligent as humans today. In some ways they may have been even more intelligent, on average. Currently, there is far less selective pressure against lower intelligence and many that are of higher intelligence have chosen to not reproduce or to have lower numbers of children. But there is a difference in the (genotypic) genetic potential for intelligence and the (phenotypic) actualized intelligence. Humans in general are highly intelligent, that is our birth right. Whether that is achieved is a different story with out proper nutrition and nurturing a child may not manifest the full potential intelligence.