" static conclusion "

A term I like pertaining to ; How our senses "Want to Claim a Certainty"

and a very Human trait, yet number 1 road block to true "Spirituality", very much so, this is maybe one certainty that is true!

What our minds Want;




                                carved in stone / immutable




 this list goes on and on, and can easily be seen through out all cultures 

Maybe one trait taken to the extremes by the most intelligent animal "Humans" and maybe the greatest Paradox;

            By humans (or most) , thinking they are some special creature existing in some way disconnected from Nature, thus the 

              Body of Nature it's self as a Whole.

            Humans to a very high degree, have lost the ability see Nature as a constantly changing being in it's "Self"

            Maybe for my self- the word or symbol of; " Submitting " has such a spiritual meaning, as one has to submit to simply.. 

                                               "Not Know"

            Making a judgement about something that is uncertain,unclear, prior to great study,inquiry is another great Paradox;


                    Maybe due to fact I have always had a great need,desire to sketch,and draw,.like feminine things more then masculine                       things, for the most part, and have always pondered ,inquired into the meaning of everything,wondered of everything,                           never claiming certainty on much of anything. This has allowed me to adapt to a given situation easier then most, and ;

                       See the Natural World a part from Humans, thus see the great contrast of;

       " You see in the Natural World, most know their true self/identity- In the Human                                   World , most are Actors,not knowing theirs"-me


Nearly all great religions know this term "Know thy Self ", because until one does, your simply a Actor, trying to make it Certain,the Tribe knows who you are, the paradox here is,unless one knows for certain whom they are, it's just a act until then, so one picks, say;

                " I look like a man- what's the tribe say the man is?

                " I look like a woman- what's the tribe say the woman is?

                                          So one picks One that the Tribe says IS !     another ways of saying "you just got socially constructed"

                    And a Actor on the Stage of Life, if you can break free of this, as your ego will fight,like a wild cat, to keep you as the;                                                                                              "Actor".  it's much easier!

                                         Yet unless you can't  "Spirituality "as well is a act!

I do think Humans have the ability to ; say by their own accord come back in Balance with the Whole of Nature,yet if not fairly quickly taking the steps to do so;

                                                 " Nature will, and mostly likely in a fashion like a Forest Fire burns down the Trees"

       If one reads of Charles Darwin's great struggle concerning theology and Nature, it is similar to          my own, and how I came to conclude for myself, Nature is One and it's Self, the Only great being      that can be comprehended, The Planets we see, greater parts,etc, we being as individual, tiny          parts of the Body.

         excerpts from Wikipedia of Charles Darwins thoughts;

                              "During these two years I was led to think much about religion. Whilst on board the Beagle I was quite orthodox, & I remember being heartily laughed at by several of the officers (though themselves orthodox) for quoting the Bible as an unanswerable authority on some point of morality. I suppose it was the novelty of the argument that amused them. But I had gradually come, by this time, to see that the Old Testament from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of Babel, rainbow as a sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any barbarian.

                                   ♥    "When I am with you I think all melancholy thoughts keep out of my head but since you are gone some sad ones have forced themselves in, of fear that our opinions on the most important subject should differ widely. My reason tells me that honest & conscientious doubts cannot be a sin, but I feel it would be a painful void between us. I thank you from my heart for your openness with me & I should dread the feeling that you were concealing your opinions from the fear of giving me pain. It is perhaps foolish of me to say this much but my own dear Charley we now do belong to each other & I cannot help being open with you. Will you do me a favour? yes I am sure you will, it is to read our Saviours farewell discourse to his disciples which begins at the end of the 13th Chap of John. It is so full of love to them & devotion & every beautiful feeling. It is the part of the New Testament I love best. This is a whim of mine it would give me great pleasure, though I can hardly tell why I don't wish you to give me your opinion about it.


Another source of conviction in the existence of God, connected with the reason and not with the feelings, impresses me as having much more weight. This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capacity of looking far backwards and far into futurity, as the result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a Theist.

This conclusion was strong in my mind about the time, as far as I can remember, when I wrote the Origin of Species; and it is since that time that it has very gradually with many fluctuations become weaker. But then arises the doubt–can the mind of man, which has, as I fully believe, been developed from a mind as low as that possessed by the lowest animal, be trusted when it draws such grand conclusions? May not these be the result of the connection between cause and effect which strikes us as a necessary one, but probably depends merely on inherited experience? Nor must we overlook the probability of the constant inculcation in a belief in God on the minds of children producing so strong and perhaps an inherited effect on their brains not yet fully developed, that it would be as difficult for them to throw off their belief in God, as for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake.

I cannot pretend to throw the least light on such abstruse problems. The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an Agnostic

Charles Darwin and Asa Gray;

                     Views of Asa Gray;

                                                             Asa Gray (November 18, 1810 – January 30, 1888) is considered the most important American botanist of the 19th century.[1][2] His Darwiniana was considered an important explanation of how religion and science were not necessarily mutually exclusive. Gray was adamant that a genetic connection must exist between all members of a species. He was also strongly opposed to the ideas of hybridization within one generation and special creation in the sense of its not allowing for evolution, as he felt evolution was guided by a Creator.

Relationship with Darwin;

                                   Gray, considered by Darwin to be his friend and "best advocate", also attempted to convince Darwin in his letters that design was inherent in all forms of life, and to return to his faith. Gray saw nature as filled with "unmistakable and irresistible indications of design" and argued that "God himself is the very last, irreducible causal factor and, hence, the source of all evolutionary change."[136] Darwin agreed that his theories were "not at all necessarily atheistical" but was unable to share Gray's belief. "I feel most deeply that the whole subject is too profound for the human intellect. A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton," he wrote

And again I believe Jesus was simply a extremely enlightened, very,very self-actualized human, just as others; The Problem with Religions is not that,, It is the Common un self-actualized human claiming " My God is the only god", and then by their Egos,inflecting fear onto the people, you must believe only our way or else;

       Thus the only way out of this trap is High religions and their Leaders to simply state "Yes, we follow Jesus's teachings, yet there where many,are many others similar to Jesus, so many different "Tribes"

I think if one listens to Leo's tape " Intro to systems thinking ", this helps one see things from a good point of view.